Jason Moran

2019

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Transcription: Jason Moran and Joan Jonas, Antiphony, 2013

Running Time: 4:56

Jason Moran: I met Joan in 2005. She finds my name in the phone book and calls me on the phone. I pick up the phone and she says, "This is Joan Jonas and I'm working on a performance for Dia: up in Beacon." She was like, "would you want to work with me?" I was like, "yes." So we worked on this piece called The Shape, the Scent, the Feel of Things. It was an entree into a different world through her and through Adam Pendleton. They brought me to this other space, contemporary performance culture, contemporary aesthetics, all things I had never thought about as a jazz musician.

When we first started working, it was very hard because I didn't know what she wanted and also I didn't go see a lot of performance art, so I also didn't know what the sonic aesthetic of it should be. I don't want to be—you have to check me out at the places that I play, too.

Joan Jonas: What do you mean?

Jason Moran: I don't want to be overly sentimental.

Joan Jonas: No, no, no, that's the point.

Jason Moran: Yeah, my tendency is to go there. 

Joan Jonas: You know that concert, the one I liked that you did on the Lower East Side, [unintelligible] if you play like that more.

Jason Moran: Right. 

Joan Jonas: You know what I mean? Don't feel romantic about the landscape.

Jason Moran: Okay.

Joan Jonas: I'd like it to be tougher.

Jason Moran: All right, thank you.

Very clearly, the first time we improvised together, she kind of I say danced but moved and I played and I was like, "Oh, this is like working with the greatest jazz musician I know."

From working with Joan, really what happens is it may come across as so loose but it's highly choreographed and it's—how do you achieve that? How do you blend those lines between showing exactly what every outline of the space is or phrase and knowing how to make things really come together as one thing? One big idea that you could focus on rather than the individual parts.

Did you hear it?

Jason Moran: Did you hear it? It's very subtle.

Speaker 1: Can you just decide when you're done?

Joan Jonas: Make sure to do a sound signal. I think Jason should time it.

Jason Moran: That, too.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Joan Jonas: Because I'm no judge of how interesting it is for how long.

Jason Moran: Coming from this sound, it goes down and goes up many times and then I also play here. I feel like next time we do it then I'll be conscious of the time.

Joan Jonas: It's better if we don't try to exact because then it'll look wrong. Just think of the idea like this, we're totally involved in this and we don't know where we are and all of a sudden it changes and we're still doing it.

Jason Moran: Right.

Joan Jonas: And that's okay.

Jason Moran: Right. 

Joan Jonas: Because in the next sequence there's so much time. 

Jason Moran: And I trust Joan in these spaces. I trust Joan to also allow me to play what she thinks I need to play. She would many times say, "Oh Jason, you have to play, too." Like she only says that [unintelligible] because she wants to hear me play and she always says, "I get way more inspiration from listening to your music than ever looking at my [unintelligible]." So she's like, "I need you to play. Don't feel like you have to end or start. Just be in it." You know, those reminders are good to hear. 

Joan Jonas: And the thing is that you don't have to reflect what you think [unintelligible].

Jason Moran: Right.

Joan Jonas: I mean people are coming to hear you and to see the whole thing but they're going to listen to you. So what you should do is—I'm going to also respond to you.

[Interlude: Running Time: 4:26]

Sounds include: moments of music interspersed with silence.

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