Amy Sherald: American Sublime

2025

Transcription: Amy Sherald
Running time: 00:14:50 

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Amy Sherald: I really have this deep belief that images can change the world. It's not that I started making work with that belief, but it's what I've come to know. It's a beautiful way to tell a story. I consider myself an American realist. For me, it means just recognizing my Americanness first and wanting the work to join a greater ongoing conversation. Edward Hopper or Andy Wyeth—they're telling these American stories, and I'm also telling American stories.

Man Announcer: Miss Amy Sherald, portrait artist.

Woman Announcer: Last week, Amy Sherald went from being a virtual unknown to one of the most talked-about artists in the world. On Monday, her painting of Michelle Obama was unveiled alongside Kehinde Wiley's portrait of President Barack Obama. Both Sherald and Wiley were interviewed and chosen for the job by the Obamas themselves.

Amy Sherald: I wanted to paint a quiet and powerful portrait of her that offered the viewer a different kind of moment.

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And make it truly about her and not about the "First Lady" title. And making everyone feel the way that she makes people feel in person, which is like she's very relatable. When they look at Michelle, they can see themselves. By being herself, she gives us permission to be our full selves.

It just so happens that painting Black people is kind of political. But these figures hanging on museum walls—it's more than just that; you know, it's more than just the corrective narrative. It's gotta be about humanity first, and then everything else has to follow.

The decision to paint the skin in gray—when I first started making this work, I think I had an anxiety about the work being marginalized and the conversation solely being about identity. This was something that I wasn't trying to escape necessarily, but I wanted the work to be bigger than that. I started to think of it as a way to allow the viewer to have an experience that was not about race first. These paintings, for me, are really about our interior lives.

(birds chirping) (sprinkler ticking)

Geraldine: Well, this is Amy. It's not a large one, but that's Amy, and I'm trying to think of her age at the time.

Amy Sherald: Six or seven, maybe second grade. And then this is all of my siblings.

Geraldine: Yeah, Amy was the bossy one.

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Amy Sherald: That's funny.

Geraldine: She wanted to be an artist, and, of course, I would always say, "I don't want a starving artist. You can be a doctor, a lawyer, anything better than an artist. Do your art on the side." But she was determined to be an artist.

Amy Sherald: Yeah, and this is my mom when she was 19.

Geraldine: High school.

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Amy Sherald: Having these here for me was the opportunity to understand my history and where I come from. And after using the grayscale painting, I really started to think about these images that I had growing up.

I was always drawn to the photograph of my grandmother, Jewel. I just think photographs from this time—those eyes really tell a story. You can really feel who they were in that moment. And I think that's what really draws me to black-and-white photography—it’s so special and saturated with so much emotional energy. Looking at her picture, I saw a woman who was dignified, who represented herself in a way that influenced how I wanted to be represented in the world as well.

I don't think I realized that I was missing seeing imagery of myself in art history. It wasn't until I came across a painting that actually had a person of color in it—a Black person—that I realized I had never seen that before.

As a sixth grader, my first time going to a museum, when I saw this painting by Bo Bartlett, I was shocked that I was looking at a figure of a Black man. He was standing in front of a house. He had on a belt that had, like, some handyman tools. I just remember standing there for a few minutes, and I realized when I saw that work that I wanted to make paintings like that. I was able to see my future in that moment.

This is my childhood bedroom, and it's pretty much exactly as I left it when I moved to Atlanta to go to Clark Atlanta University. I didn't have the kind of mom that let us put posters up in our room or anything like that. Everything had to be just like this when I left to go to school.

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I waited tables from the time I was 25 until I was about 37.

I kept painting. I was trying to figure out where I fit in and what my voice would be. And in my mind, I was like, "Well, I don't see just paintings of Black people just being Black." Like, we're just here, we're living our lives, hanging out, just being ourselves.

Post-grad school, I ran into this model who was like a six-one, young Black woman, and I asked her if she would come and allow me to take a picture of her. She had on a pink shirt that had white polka dots on it and a big bow tie. She’s standing there with her arms dropped down to her side, her gaze meeting the viewer, and she looks a little bit uncomfortable, a little bit awkward. She, in that moment, stood there as everything that I wanted to represent. She was fully herself in this out-of-the-box kind of way.

That painting was a seminal piece for me because it really solidified in my mind exactly what I was doing. I wanted to make images that told stories like this. I started finding the models that I wanted to find, creating these different narratives and scenarios that I wanted to see exist in the world.

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Amy Sherald: Hi, guys!

— Hi!

— How are you?

Very nice to meet you.

Amy Sherald: Nice to meet you.

— Nice to meet you too.

Amy Sherald: Oh...

Amy Sherald: Hi.

— Hi, very nice to meet you.

Amy Sherald: Nice to meet you. Thank you for doing this.

Amy Sherald: You're a medium?

— Yep, yes.

Amy Sherald: All right, let's head down. I just gotta get a visual of what this is gonna look like. I kinda... My process is that I find the painting. Like... You know, we're gonna do a lot of different poses.

— Cool.

Amy Sherald: Let's give it a shot and see how it goes.

— Like this? And then just like that.

Amy Sherald: Yup. And then move this foot up just a couple of inches.

— I did.

Amy Sherald: Oh, there we go.

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Okay, Raj, look at him in his eyes.

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Amy Sherald: Photography is the beginning of the painting. It's how I begin to search for what I want in the work. I let the models feel their way through what's happening, and then each pose, I try to adjust to find exactly what I'm looking for—what the painting is going to be like. What is it going to feel like? Are the colors right? Are positions right?

— All right, we're shooting.

I rely on the organic in my work. I try not to over-plan. I just go in with my antennas up, looking for the right moments and waiting for that synergy to build between the models. And I leave the photo session with exactly the image that I’m going to work with, so it’s almost like it’s my sketchbook.

— That’s amazing.

That’s good.

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— This is perfect 'cause the way your noses are, everything is great.

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Amy Sherald: When I look back at my life, it seems fairly orchestrated, these kinds of moments that push you forward. I just feel lucky that I listened to my heart and my intuition. I was told by somebody in my life, "Don't listen to criticism and don't listen to praise. Just do what you do."

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Art21 proudly presents an artist segment, featuring Amy Sherald, from the "Everyday Icons" episode in the eleventh season of the "Art in the Twenty-First Century" series. "Everyday Icons" premiered in April 2023 on PBS. In her studio in New Jersey, artist Amy Sherald paints portraits that tell a story about American lives. Her face just inches away from a canvas, the artist carefully applies stroke after stroke, building her narrative through paint. “I really have this belief that images can change the world,” says Sherald, a belief she acts upon in her compelling paintings, which depict everyday people with dignity and humanity. Following the tradition of American realists like Andrew Wyeth and Edward Hopper, the artist uses her paintings to tell stories about America. Searching for models, settings, and scenarios that would convey the kinds of stories she wanted to tell, Sherald began to populate the world of her paintings with everyday people in everyday situations. Amy Sherald was born in 1973 in Columbus, Georgia, and lives and works in New Jersey. Receiving her BA in painting from Clark Atlanta University in 1997, Sherald went on to receive her MFA from the Maryland Institute College of Art in 2004. Reflecting the complexities of representation and identity, Sherald’s paintings challenge viewers to engage with her subjects in new and profound ways, calling attention to the universal stories told through her portraits. 

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